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![]() ![]() ![]() i totally agree how is that even legal and that leads to incompetency, i worked a couple of jobs ago where the other shift just could not do their job, i was woken up whilst off shift to fix things. I dont mind helping out at all but for menial tech work, i have to get up and had to do all their paper work to, and we all know how much of that has to be done these days. It just made my work load twice as hard. Im not a snitch or tell tale but i casually asked my OIM if the other guys had Certs in a round about way, and sure enough they both had MTSC certs and they were not qualified to do their jobs properly not at the ranks that their Certs said they were anyway. It seems if you pay they just had them out. im not happy |
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Having read all of the above I have to say I am disappointed that a company would be so willing to be underhand in sending in the documentation required for assessment in the manner Bazinga says. The company should be reported to IMCA directly.
The MTCS certificate is not and has never been endorsed by IMCA. IMCA set a standard and MTCS or any other training school teach/train to that standard. We could get into the whole right/wrong argument of that all day long and it will end up being a long drawn out no end in sight type of conversation. So lets get to the real world. Assuming the system works as it should the candidate should complete a task for example a tether re-term. That would be one activity in a few different competency areas. Here is where it starts to fall apart. Quite often the signature on the sheet of what was a witness goes into the assessors box the witness may be the most competent person in the world but if they are not trained as an assessor they should only sign as a witness. Once the competency pack is completed and evidence is also produced to support the signatures then it should be sent in for assessment this can be by an assessor within the candidates company or agency. MTCS also do this. Reading the new E-portfolio documentation on the IMCA website they seem to expect the company an agency worker is on contract to could do this for them. When MTCS/other company do the assessment they should be reviewing the evidence. The candidate should have a sheet with a who is who of signatures on the completed competency so it can be audited fully if required. This is almost the same style of system used in NVQ/SVQ qualifications across multiple industries. The only difference I can see is that the assessing company is possibly not audited to the same level as there is body interested in doing that including IMCA. So the system is flawed but what system is not. A competence cert can be issued by any employer Raptor is right however a letter of reference does not count as evidence of competence alone neither does just a log book of work experience. I am sure all of us have worked with guys who have been in the industry a long time and are very incompetent however they are mates with the ops manager and manage to keep getting jobs. I agree three years is a bit short for any renewal and also to be honest if you are staying at the same level then you should maybe just prove you are still working in the industry and the renewal should be issued for significantly less than it currently is. Companies like certification it gives them a warm and fuzzy feeling that they can hide behind when something goes wrong and the a court case is pending. Until IMCA grows some teeth in the area of ROV training and actually assesses and issues competence certification itself then this is the system we have and it will not change. Competence certification seems to be in fashion at the moment, so for the offshore worker it is the extra piece of paper required to be employable by an agency and the piece of paper staff seem to need to have any chance of promotion. |
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(I agree three years is a bit short for any renewal and also to be honest if you are staying at the same level then you should maybe just prove you are still working in the industry and the renewal should be issued for significantly less than it currently is. Companies like certification it gives them a warm and fuzzy feeling that they can hide behind when something goes wrong and the a court case is pending. Until IMCA grows some teeth in the area of ROV training and actually assesses and issues competence certification itself then this is the system we have and it will not change. Competence certification seems to be in fashion at the moment, so for the offshore worker it is the extra piece of paper required to be employable by an agency and the piece of paper staff seem to need to have any chance of promotion. ) Yeah i totally agree with you on this part, its like someone is going around to all the companies and paying or convincing them the Cert thing is the new fashion. i think that if you are a trained electrician and been offshore say 15yrs this sort of bullying to be re-assessed is going to really get up your nose. The company you work for should know their staff and issue their own Certs, a few do which is great. i think the cost should be lower and the re-assessment should be based on HSE and paper work if you already hold a Cert for a rank. Those are the only things that change not how to re-term mainlifts, which i might add some people with MTSC certs still cant do. As i witnessed not so long ago on a job as the wire slipped thru the donkey dick and into the water goes the system. So you dont bend the wires back on the mainlift i had said the night before, \"never done that mate, was the reply\" you must agree the paper work is mounting you need a permit to look at something aloft and the wages are dropping. Now we have more Certs to worry about. what happened to the days of your going on a course says the manager and you are on pay and theres girls and beers and you learn something new. Have you seen the Panamanian seamans book course, they tried to make me watch Cpt philips the movie. i said i got a UK seamans book i dont want this one, company did pay so i cant complain but i didnt learn anything and it was 500usd WTF. thats all folks |
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Ok Al,
So the biggest concern from our side is that the length of time between renewals is too short. The cost is to high and somewhere down the line the point of proving competence has been lost. In the interest of transparencyI have worked on a consultant basis for MTCS in the past however no longer do. I do not have any current affiliation to them. The cost is kind of dictated by company overheads. IMCA Membership, office and server/website costs, staff wages etc. Obviously it is a business they need to make enough profit to survive. I personally feel five years for a renewal is more realistic and if you are staying at the same level then all you should need is a couple of appraisals to demonstrate you are not a complete screw up, log book or seaman book entries to demonstrate you are still working in the industry and a witness statement from your company/agent confirming all of this. I do feel that lifetime certs are better however that makes no business sense also I know that STCW survival courses used to be lifetime certs(not sure if they still are) however some companies insisted they were no more than five years old. Unless more guys are qualified assessors within companies, and companies do not issue the certificates themselves, then unfortunately the competence packs will still have to be externally verified by someone who does not know the candidate and does not know the candidates abilities hence the importance of honest and truthful witness/assessment of a candidate otherwise incompetent or substandard people will end up with certification. Incidentally the MTCS assessor qualification is a direct mirror of the NVQ/SVQ qualification so theoretically you do not have to do it through them as long as your company is happy to recognise the qualification right or wrong it is a lifetime certificate. |
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