H M Revenue & Customs TAX Ruling

Member Joined: Dec 16, 2006

I'm no legal expert but that judge's ruling would seem to piss right on HMRC's chips on the 2 most vague & contentious points in the current legislation i.e. the engaged in exploitation & the standing/stationed arguments. Go straight to Paras 29, 30 & 31 and have a read

By that man a drink!!

Member Joined: Sep 29, 2008 Location: Abz

Richt boys,

Fits the craic wi the tribunal??

55 pages n am strugglin tae find new rulings?

Fit direct impact has this oan us boat dwellin construction gadgies and fit dae yi think it'll dae tae the HMRC wi respect tae issuin new guidleines?

Are we gonnae benefit ootricht here?

Da' dandy

ROVworld Webteam Joined: Dec 26, 2003 Location: Scotland

Dandy,

I'm not so hot on trying to read Aberdonian dialect in the written form - but I think to answer your question it means that the Taxman cannot decide that a ship that stays on DP be called an offshore installation.

And also just because a vessel has been used as accommodation in the past or originally, it doesn't mean thats all it can be classified as, and if a vessel is doing a job which is mainly not accommodation, then it is indeed a ship.

Member Joined: Mar 31, 2006

thefidler wrote:

Unfortunately I have to advise you that the RMT has now been advised that there is no realistic prospect of success with a claim for a Judicial Review over the implementation of the changes on Seafarers Earnings Deductions and their impact on seafarers.

nice to see the union got it right then !

piedpiper

Member Joined: Sep 29, 2008 Location: Abz

rayshields wrote:

Dandy,

I'm not so hot on trying to read Aberdonian dialect in the written form - but I think to answer your question it means that the Taxman cannot decide that a ship that stays on DP be called an offshore installation.

And also just because a vessel has been used as accommodation in the past or originally, it doesn't mean thats all it can be classified as, and if a vessel is doing a job which is mainly not accommodation, then it is indeed a ship.

Well Ray,

Thank you very much my good man, what a jolly good outcome if one may be so outwardly joyous.

I will be further enquiring to the aforemention HMRC as to where us gentlemen of the sea should reside with respect to this new outcome.

I will also endeavour to suggest recommendations are forthcoming in a timely and upstanding fashion, to provide us said gentlemen, with sufficient information and guidelines as to our next Seafarers Taxation rebate claim.

I hope you appreciate the effort and indeed lengthy attempt at utilising the "Queens own" in my reply, typing as you don't converse causes a man from the north much unwanted intellectual stimulation to try and utilise new words in my limited but highly develpoed doric napper.......if ye ken fit a mean ken...

A' ma best
Da Dandy

This post was sent to to an OILC-RMT member by David Shawyer www.dshawyer.co.uk an accountant well known in the offshore circles

Quote:

Following discussions with the seafarers unit at Centre 1 in East Kilbride I set out below a flier sent out to all our seafarer clients.

Dear Seafarer
There has been a recent Case (known as the Spowage Case) which has affected the availability of Seafarer’s Earnings Deduction (SED).
You will recall there was a previous Torr/Pride South America Case that restricted the availability of the relief, but there has been a relaxation of these rules as a result of the most recent Case.

For 2008/09 onwards, a vessel involved in duties not physically associated with oil or gas production (e.g. repairs carried out away from the wellhead and/or associated sub-sea equipment) will be regarded as a ship and SED will be due.

However, where a vessel is working in close association with a well and/or subsea equipment involved with the production of oil and gas (e.g. working down the well, pumping liquid into the well, removal and replacement of Xmas trees, and construction of manifolds) and is “standing” or “stationed” in any waters, then SED will not be due as the vessel will be regarded as an offshore installation.

There has been concern that once a vessel was regarded as an offshore installation, then SED would be withdrawn for the remainder of the tax year. However, we have been assured it would only be in very unusual circumstances that this would apply. (Such as where a vessel spent the greater majority of its time carrying out work alongside a well etc.) So, in most situations the SED will only not be due where a vessel:
1. Works in close proximity to a well and/or sub-sea equipment.
2. Is stationed there for more than 5 days – in which case the SED will only be disallowed for the period of time this work is carried out (and any leave time immediately thereafter).

Hopefully, in most cases, the practical effect of this will be that any earnings not eligible for relief will be covered by the personal allowance (£6,035 for 2008/09 and £6,475 for 2009/10), and so full tax refunds will be available.
If your Return is reviewed by the Revenue, they will probably ask for independent proof of whether the vessel has been stationed for more than 5 days. It would therefore be a good idea to obtain a statement from the Captain of the vessel along the lines of:

(Name of Ship)
(Date)

Example:
To whom it may concern,
As Master of the (ship), I confirm without prejudice, that (ship) has not undertaken any exploration of minerals whilst standing or stationary for more periods in excess of 120 hours during the tax year (2008/2009) and up to (date).
(Signature)
(Master/Captain)
(Ship)

David can be contacted at the following web site for advice www.dshawyer.co.uk/

Member Joined: Jun 10, 2009

It seems after today you dont even need to be a UK resident to claim Seafarers' It just gets better.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/pbr2009/pbrn23.pdf

EU/EEA residents qualify. This ensures the SED provisions are compatible with the EU Treaty of which the UK is a signatory I believe.

SEAFARERS’ EARNINGS DEDUCTION: EU AND EEA RESIDENTS

Who is likely to be affected?
1. EU and European Economic Area (EEA) residents who pay UK tax on their earnings as a seafarer. Broadly speaking a seafarer is a person who works on a ship.

General description of the measure
2. Legislation will be introduced in Finance Bill 2010 to extend the Seafarers’ Earnings Deduction to EU and EEA resident seafarers, ensuring the provisions are compatible with the EU Treaty.

Operative date
3. The measure will have effect on and after 6 April 2011.

Current law and proposed revisions
4. Seafarers’ Earnings Deduction can provide 100 per cent UK tax relief for the earnings from carrying out duties as a seafarer wholly or partly outside the UK, during an eligible period. One of the qualifying conditions for Seafarers’ Earnings Deduction is that the claimant must be ordinarily resident in the UK. This condition will be extended so that seafarers who are EU or EEA residents can claim Seafarers’ Earnings Deduction on their earnings as a seafarer that are liable to UK income tax. There are no other changes to the provisions for Seafarers’ Earnings Deduction.

Further advice
5. If you have any questions about this change, please contact Kathy Prior on 020 7147 2582 (email: kathy.prior@hmrc.gsi.gov.uk). Information about Pre-Budget Report measures is available on the HM Revenue & Customs website at www.hmrc.gov.uk

Source: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/pbr2009/pbrn23.pdf