Seaman's tax rules appear to be changing for the worse!

Member Joined: Dec 31, 2003

Just checked the link and it's not working, so the gist is (copied and pasted from their website):

Vessels working in the offshore oil and gas industry that may be accepted as ships

The following may be accepted as "ships" for FED purposes if they satisfy the general conditions described at SE33102.

* Anchor handling vessels
* Diving support vessels
* Heavy lifting vessels
* Pipe laying barges
* Platform support vessels
* Safety standby vessels
* Seismic survey vessels
* Shuttle tankers
* Well service vessels.

The above lists do not cover all of the structures and vessels used in the oil and gas industry. Further help may be obtained from the appropriate district. See EP8313.

Member Joined: Jun 10, 2009

This thread is all old news....

However the rules on seafarers tax were designed to include certain low paid vessel workers, waitresses, hair dressers, bar staff, house keeping, singers, catering etc etc mainly from the massive cruise ship industry who do not sign on articles, but are represented by Nautilus.

To exclude these low piad workers based on who signs on articles, would be against the spirit of the legislation. Hence the Goverments endless search for alternatives to exclude those in oil and gas.

225 wrote:

This thread is all old news....

Agreed, and the person who fired it up again (last post was in august), they registered only today - has had there account deleted.

It it a typical spam tactic. Pick on a forum, register, look up an old thread and and post something that appears to be relevant, making sure of course that you carefully add a web link into your signature file that has absolutely nothing to do with our industry. This one appeared to link to a foreign mobile phone operator.

From David Shawyer http://www.dshawyer.co.uk an accountant well known in the offshore circles

Following discussions with the seafarers unit at Centre 1 in East Kilbride I set out below a flier sent out to all our seafarer clients.

Quote:

Dear Seafarer
There has been a recent Case (known as the Spowage Case) which has affected the availability of Seafarer’s Earnings Deduction (SED).
You will recall there was a previous Torr/Pride South America Case that restricted the availability of the relief, but there has been a relaxation of these rules as a result of the most recent Case.

For 2008/09 onwards, a vessel involved in duties not physically associated with oil or gas production (e.g. repairs carried out away from the wellhead and/or associated sub-sea equipment) will be regarded as a ship and SED will be due.

However, where a vessel is working in close association with a well and/or subsea equipment involved with the production of oil and gas (e.g. working down the well, pumping liquid into the well, removal and replacement of Xmas trees, and construction of manifolds) and is “standing” or “stationed” in any waters, then SED will not be due as the vessel will be regarded as an offshore installation.

There has been concern that once a vessel was regarded as an offshore installation, then SED would be withdrawn for the remainder of the tax year. However, we have been assured it would only be in very unusual circumstances that this would apply. (Such as where a vessel spent the greater majority of its time carrying out work alongside a well etc.) So, in most situations the SED will only not be due where a vessel:
1. Works in close proximity to a well and/or sub-sea equipment.
2. Is stationed there for more than 5 days – in which case the SED will only be disallowed for the period of time this work is carried out (and any leave time immediately thereafter).

Hopefully, in most cases, the practical effect of this will be that any earnings not eligible for relief will be covered by the personal allowance (£6,035 for 2008/09 and £6,475 for 2009/10), and so full tax refunds will be available.
If your Return is reviewed by the Revenue, they will probably ask for independent proof of whether the vessel has been stationed for more than 5 days. It would therefore be a good idea to obtain a statement from the Captain of the vessel along the lines of:
(Name of Ship)
(Date)

Example:
To whom it may concern,
As Master of the (ship), I confirm without prejudice, that (ship) has not undertaken any exploration of minerals whilst standing or stationary for more periods in excess of 120 hours during the tax year (2008/2009) and up to (date).
(Signature)
(Master/Captain)
(Ship)

David can be contacted at the following web site for advice http://www.dshawyer.co.uk/